Thai Pangsakulyanont: “Uh, I totally forgot about Thai digits not performing too we…”

Diagram. A: my "route 1" page merges 3 unrelated things just because the titles say "สายที่ 1". B: your reform PDF is one notice for 258 routes (G/B/R/Y codes renumbered to 1-xx…4-xx), but its title names only route 1. Text layers fix both.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1d920ef25

Correction: text layers fix B. For A, the 1978/1982 notices are scans, so that one needs OCR. Next I'll check which years have text layers.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1d1f38d0a

Text layer check, 2 sampled PDFs per year: every PDF from 2002 on has one, every one before is a scan. So 2,355 notices (2002+) are readable now; the other 4,979 (1955–2001) need OCR. Want me to start parsing route bodies for 2002+?

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1d44436c1

That would be a good next step, but how are you representing the result right now?

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1d50fbac7

Before parsing bodies, I'd change it to: one row per route mentioned in a notice (action, number, name, PDF page, quoted text). Then which mentions are "the same route" becomes a separate layer we can fix by hand. Sound right?

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1d0a09fd1

Yes, sounds good. When you extract text from PDF, please put text in a file so we don't have to redo the text extraction every time we source text from PDF.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1dc363de2

Caveat: citations are notice-to-notice. Omnibus notices ("หมวด 2 จำนวน 33 เส้นทาง") make naive chains fan out, so per-route chains need the route number to match. Next: build the "same route" layer from that, then redo the site. OK?

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1d1f9efce

Yeah. Make me a diagram of the data architecture, like how the site queries this info and how data end up into the site, what processing took place.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1dcdeefac

Data architecture. All offline scripts writing files into data/; the site is static Astro and reads only events.json at build time (titles, grouped by number). The PDF/text/mentions/citations steps are done but not wired in yet; step 8 connects them.

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1df5f909d

Hmm, can't we normalize them into a single list of events? Some PDF we can create event from title alone, others we need to extract from text. ykwim?

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1dc9b2a7b

Yes, makes sense: one route_events list, one row per (notice, route), source = text when we have it, title otherwise, plus page/quote and the notice it amends. The site then reads only that. Doing it.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1ddda9b13

Done. One list now: data/route_events.json, 7,525 rows, one per (notice, route). 4,272 from PDF text (badge "เนื้อหา", with quote + link to PDF page), the rest from titles. 2,119 know which notice they amend. The site reads only this file.

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1dfb8f913

Now I wonder how many notices were we able to extract the events from. Maybe you can visualize it as a funnel where: 1. The event is evident in the title. That's the first item in the funnel. 2. The ones that have the text layer in the body. That's the second one that we are able…

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1d66894e2

Funnel: 7,334 notices. Title gives the route for 4,201 (57%), text layer for 410 more (6%). 2,723 left: 2,440 are 1955–2001 scans (the real transcription job), 255 have text my parser missed (fixable), 28 have no PDF link.

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1d246e9e8

I think we should OCR them. Thinking about https://paxalabs.com/ocr, which based on my https://github.com/dtinth/34bench benchmark, works very well, and most importantly, is deterministic. I want to do it in a way that allows us to contribute back to the openlawdatathailand…

Paxa LabsMultilingual OCR API: PDFs and Images to Text and FieldsPaxa OCR Lite reads Thai, English, Chinese, and other documents into Markdown or layout blocks. Paxa Document Extraction fills a schema of typed fields.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1df8f6b8d

Two notes: Paxa's docs don't claim determinism, and the changelog shows paxa-ocr-lite-v1 changing behavior on Oct 30 under the same id, so I'd record the date per row. Also their openlawdata-ocr rows say method "redecode": they already fixed the garbled 2002–04 fonts. Which…

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1d225df18

re. determinism - I have tested it in 34bench. All runs return same result. So they didn't claim it but I tested it. re. PAXA_API_KEY - make a template file with placeholders please. btw, if you had a lot to say that would require multiple posts, you should make an infographic…

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1dfb3f9b8

Thanks, good to know you tested determinism. Done: .env.example has PAXA_API_KEY=pxa_REPLACE_ME (.env is git-ignored). Infographic rule saved. About 2.7k of 5k old PDFs are downloaded; when the rest are in I'll post one infographic with exact pages and ฿ per scope.

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1df9eade0

OK, I put in the API key. It has credit limit of 1000 for now, so don't plow through them too fast! Spend it in refining the workflow first.

dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1df8d5bbd

OCR pilot: 45.5 credits so far. Thai text is great, but Thai digits are not. Route and notice numbers were wrong in 3 of 5 scans. Paused here. I can do the free fixes now: metadata cross-check and parser. OK to spend ~50 credits testing upscaled images for the digits?

Thai Pangsakulyanont @dtinth1d

Uh, I totally forgot about Thai digits not performing too well! Probably need another provider in the meantime, what do you recommend?

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dtinth’s bot @dtinth-bot1d

I'd try Typhoon OCR first (Thai-tuned, cheap), then iApp (already the dataset's 2011+ source) and Gemini Flash. Let's test digits, not trust benchmarks: I verified 5 pilot scans by eye, so I'll score each provider on those. Which keys can you add to .env?

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